This is a 1980 Omega with an Omega badge in that location. If you took this to a Chevrolet car show and said it was similar to the Chevrolet Nova you may even get some great offers. Well before this car debuted, Oldsmobile and Cadillac were often paired at the dealer level, except in the larger cities. its You pays yer money and you make the man you wanna be. It was being piloted by a guy and gal (I assume a married couple) in their 60s. In some ways, that attitude did more damage to GM than anything GM management ever did; but I guess back then no one would have imagined a Chevy-Olds-Cadillac dealership like became common in the 80s. Theres quite a bit of surface rust in the engine bay, I wouldnt have expected a California car to look like this. $6,000. Not long after this car was shipped off to the wrecking yard, mom and dad got a k-car which they much preferred. Brochure Outtake: Front Door or Rear? As far as the feature car I would repair transmission and make it my daily driver. Reply. They had to change something, so what better? I just realised this, and Ive been known to be wrong before, that if anyone in the US was supposed to build cars that beat the foreign competition into submission, it was GM. Here in Miami we had Cooper, Fincher, Hebert, Koons and Jeff Crippen, all single franchise Oldsmobile dealerships. It stayed on until the repaint in 95. nice well maintained first generation Omega, Ive only seen one first generation 4 door Omega in my lifetime and always liked these cars, which generation of the Omegas was the most successful sales wise? And in that comparison, the Cutlass would win by a landslide. It probably cost no more to make than the designs of Ford or Chrysler, but there was something about the shape that felt like a million bucks in your hand. CC Effect strikes me big time. 1973 Oldsmobile Omega. Too bad they stopped. Orginal rims and tires, Engine runs, transmission shifts. RE: Metal dealer badges: I can still recall the Holy Hell my Father gave the salesperson when he pulled my Mothers brand new 76 Cordoba up to the dealers plate glass window and Dad spotted the metal dealer nameplate on the left side of the trunk lid, secured with two posts and nuts! Notably, the sportier models were available with both the L4 and V6 engines.[2]. Anyway, the RWD X bodies were one of GM greatest hits, and the Nova is beloved by hot rodders. The door hinges are actually welded to the doors & body pillars, making them non-serviceable. From the cars Ive seen the hatchbacks had some severe rusting issues in the taillight area & the sun was particulary damaging to the interior plastic. This car is one of only 2713 Toronad . 30 . You wanna compact? 60 Oldsmobile Super 88 2 door hardtop. 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera (Brochure). it was my first insurance claim. White with Black Bucket Seats. Instead of using the time, goodwill and cashflow it generated to build a true MB-beater, they produced the horrible bustle-back. The 2-speed Powerglide transmission was dropped. In the cars defense, it was the only vehicle in the Olds (or Pontiac) showroom that year that felt and sounded like a GM car when you opened and slammed the door. Get 1973 Oldsmobile Omega trim level values and reviews. 1984 Oldsmobile (Brochure). It was the 70s; as Olds knew all too well, coupes reigned Supreme. Too bad GM didnt use vinyl-covered metal trim like they did on some of their earlier vehicles. None of the Apollo, Omega, or Ventura looked as good as the Nova however. If I recall correctly, this car was the result of dealer complaints regarding the elimination of the six-cylinder engine in the 1972 F-85, followed by the elimination of the F-85 itself for 1973, as much as anything else. It was its follow-up that GM botched. $1,500 . GM had developed such a formidable reputation in the past decades that everyone expected them to pull the rug out from under the German luxury makers and Japanese economy champions just as they had demolished all earlier competition. Since GM had the sharpest divisional setup and the most single brand dealerships, their only way to ensure those single brand dealerships remained viable businesses was to give them a the same product slightly differentiated and renamed. The evenly spaced vertical bars mark this as a 73. Rust can appear even in Kentucky, although Im not sure if that speaks more to weather conditions in the upper South or GMs build quality. I understand that only 250 were made. Seems like a nifty idea, and was used again on the ill-fated Pontiac Aztek. Then they all sort of disappeared it seems. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Keep me in the conversation via email. Not quite that easy. 3. 01 LS1 engine. Like Ive said many times before, some cars look better as 4drs. Cars in this condition are always my favorite you just cant fake the real quality here. 1973 Oldsmobile Omega (similar to Chevy Nova) 74100 original miles on original 350 rocket with motor and HDI ignition, Power steering, power brakes, new paint, new vinyl top, new tires, new wheels, new interior, new dual exhaust, new frame bushings, factory air. nothing was new with this car. fix all the issues with and have a car worthy of being kept for another 10-15 years. We plan to continue working on restoring the car. I even miss the Grand Am a little. Ive also see a 350 badge on the front fender by the parking light on the Apollo, Nova, and Ventura, but have yet to notice any 350 or hatchback badging on any Omegas Ive seen on the internet. And thus ends another exciting tale of the dregs of society working for little while ensuring USA society remained mobile. I had seldom seen my calm, polite Southern Baptist Dad loose his temper to that degree! . It looks more like a Buick Apollo than a Cadillac Noville. Its a common problem here when shopping for project cars. Here are the Oldsmobile Omega Four Door Sedan Family Tree. These cars were being built since 1967 in the form of the Chevy Nova . . So far Ive only see badging on the front grill, rear hatch/trunk lid, and on the lower front fender by the door. I owned 3 of them. I am looking to sell or trade my 1973 Oldsmobile Omega $3800 OBO. A couple of interesting Omega links: The Omega Owners Registry, based on a Pontiac Ventura site,www.pontiacventura.com; andwebspace.webring.com/people/sn/novaessess/SSomega.htm, if youd like to see afew original Omega advertisements. The embarrassed salesman knocked a hundred off the price of the car and filled the gas tank up with Amoco White gas. 350 V8, sport mirrors, tilt wheel, chrome rocker molding, hatchback, bucket seats, floor shift, factory air. We had the hatchback tent too. Much wheel spinning up the bank of the brook . I do know that dealers outside Chevy wanted these cars some diverse models to sell hence the badge engineering. From this angle it doesnt look half bad. We told them to lean it against their garage or wherever and keep it if they ever needed it and if they ever sold the car to toss it in with the deal. And he was moving along at a good clip, about 70 mph. Badge-engineered? Leaves and twigs akimbo . GM was the champion, and was *expected* to outdo itself, just as it had done for generations. E very DO read the link that takes you to the full ad says the tranny does NOT engage drive OR reverse now either simple fix (linkage) or as they state, needs rebuild so though a common tranny starting to get pricey (good luck finding another hatch at least interchangeable across the N.O.V.A. Now with the recent increase in registration fees as of Jan 1, 2018, I could see this costing over $1000.00 if the late fees are for fees for more than 5 years in late rego fees. I can tell you my friend and I went all over the east coast on weekend road trips, hundreds of miles each way, into Canada, Cape Cod July 4th, 20* below zero skiing, no water fall grill anymore, chain holding down hoodcould not kill it. I cant call this version a deadly sin because the V8 cars had Oldsmobile-sourced 350s fantastic durable engines! PART #: 12-251D. That makes me think they want to get this car to get as far away from them as possible. Has the Rocket 350, original 4 barrel, original non HEI ignition, all original wiring remains uncut or tampered with. Loved it and would like to find one just like it in Canada. Become a member to add images to your comments. Had one of these. And a Rocket 350 :thumbup: Behind this grille you might have found a Chevrolet-sourced inline six, rated at an even 100 hp, or an upgraded Olds 350 with a healthy 180 bhp. The Valiant Brougham and Dart SE debuted in mid-1974 with mostly trim upgrades such as velour bucket seats with center cushion and armrest and storage pockets behind the seats like in a 98 Regency, along with more woodgrain trim, carpeted lower door panels and color-keyed wheelcovers plus standard automatic transmission, power steering and power brakes. .foreign or domestic . Quantity: 1 Pair. That was what led me to always believe that Olds, not Buick, was the marque just below Caddy in the GM hierarchy. You'll find new or used products in Floor Mats, Carpets & Cargo Liners for 1973 Oldsmobile Omega on eBay. I wonder if the trans just needs fluid, if not its ready for a swap to an overdrive unit. They dont make em like that anymore. My brother had a 74 Nova hatchback, and I know what you mean about the doorhandles, and the doors, for that matter. Right Side, Passenger Side. 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (Brochure). You can get a hatchback tent for the Prius, which actually looks pretty practical. This is my 1975 Oldsmobile Omega with a Buick 350 V8. Id kinda like to see an Oldsmobilized Seville, just to think of what could have been. As far as this Olds I like it over the other GM badged X cars, if I had to chose the Pontiac or Olds a tough call but I would have to say GM should have kept the Olds lineup. If your car was originally licensed in say, January and you fail to license it for a while and you decide to license it again say in October, you have to pay for the time that lapsed since January and the plate is therefore only good for November and December for the year you re-license it and one additional year, rather than for the entire 2 years licenses are normally good for. Aside from the standard and Brougham models offered of the duration of production, sportier models were also offered. Prior toa significant 1976 refresh, the Omegas biggest annual change wasa different grille. Needs body work but it's all there. Park a Seville next to a Nova/Apollo/Omega/Ventura and you can readily tell the difference. They seem to be buffing, as one would a magic lamp, A new car and a babbling brook?! Sorry Obbop, Im already a memeber of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society or KOOKS. The extreme "floating roof" look of the 1959-1960 4-door hardtop, with wrap-around panoramic rear window and overhanging roof, had been passed on to the pillared Celebrity Sedanwhich had switched from the previous year six-window to a four-window greenhouse. I was given a 1967 Country Sedan by a friend, I registered it and because he did no Non-Op, the registration, my Free, station wagon cost me almost $600.00 in late fees. The neighboring town, which was larger in population, had two GM dealers one had Chevrolet and Oldsmobile franchises at the same facility, while the other combined Buick, Cadillac and Pontiac franchises. You could have your 1973 Omega in one of three styles: a two-door coupe, four-door sedan, or two-door hatchback. Mo . E ngineering In addition to the more upscale interiors and additional exterior trim, these cars also came with reclining bucket seats and radial tuned suspensions sort of a Pontiac Grand Am or Olds Cutlass Salon in a much smaller size particularly with the optional 302 V8. This needs a lot of work, obviously. 1984 Oldsmobile 442 Hurst (Brochure). . Maybe an LSx swap, too? It was very strange to see one of our local Chevy dealers go with a Toyota dealership on the same lot, back in the early 80s. Thats a pretty handsome interior, eh? All I know is I offered the guy a price and he told me he'd take 1/3 of that offer. Properly maintained of course. Its located in San Bernadino, California. R ecalled Free Shipping in Canada over $149. I had a1973 Olds Omega 2 door Hatch back with the Hatch Back. It sits on a 1977 Chevy 3 3, 4-door long-bed 4x4 chassis with heavy-duty Dana 60 axles Chrome Wheels . The first two generations of the Omega used rear-wheel-drive configuration, as a badge engineered variant of the Chevrolet Nova. But a potential hot-rod could be in the cards the Oldsmobile 350 engine is a nice inclusion though count on having to perform a rebuild before too long. Firsts yer, second year third year, cars in the 70s had bugs regardless of how long they had being produced. $12,000 . Specifications . This body style was not at all unpopular, I remember seeing them in the los angeles area a lot when I was a kid. Possibly had GM used more Cutlass inspred design clues like the taillights or the lower body swoop they might have sold more. 1973 Oldsmobile 88 $18,988 Private Seller CC-1526468 1973 Oldsmobile 88 Car has 67,000 original miles. Please note that photos may not reflect current remaining parts. Stock#414NDY This vehicle is located in Carmel, IN. Reply. The GM compacts of 75 now offered all the upscale options except leather seats and Comfortron air conditioning the new Olds Omega Salon was basically the Cutlass Salon in a smaller size with RTS, reclining bucket seats in cloth or vinyl and so on it was replaced by the Omega Brougham for 1976 which came with standard bench seat or optional buckets and less sporting than the Salon had been. Shop eBay for great deals on Floor Mats, Carpets & Cargo Liners for 1973 Oldsmobile Omega. 1973 Oldsmobile Omega - 66K Miles Original Car manual Original plates & tags Historical tag 350/350 HP built by Kammer Racing Forged crank TRW pistons Roller Tappet Rockers 490 Lift Camshaft (Elderbrock) New fuel pump, oil pump Elderbrock intake Hooker Headers Coated By Aesthetic Finishers Holley 670CFM Street Avenger Carburetor The Omega is nice, but I am not a fan of the hatchback. Take the. Man that thing had torque! Tools. On top of the dents, rust has settled into the lower fender legs which makes one wonder about the condition of the underside. Oldsmobile Omega 1973, Door and Window Crank Handle Washer Set by Goodmark. It has a few dents here and there. There was a difference the Omega was a slightly sporty version of the X body, offering wet look vinyl seat bolsters and houndstooth pattern cloth seat inserts a distinctive Oldsmobile grille and, like the early Buick Apollo and current Ventura, although a Chevy Six was standard, the Omega (and Pontiac Ventura and Buick Apollo/Skylark) did offer their own divisional V-8s (although the Pontiac Ventura II when initially offered in 71 used a Chevy 307 2-bbl). 1984 Oldsmobile Omega (Brochure). Long Beach, CA 6 years at smartcarguide.com 15,995 1973 Oldsmobile Delta Eighty-Eight sedan 52,688 automatic Power Seats AM/FM Concord, NC 6 years at carsforsale.com That just seems like really bad engineering. Cant have that. A friend owned a clean 1975 Olds Omega Salon hatchback around the 1980-83 timeframe. Caddy typically boarded with the C-Os. Summary: My twin daughters will own this with pride, as I did with the remodeled Camaro my dad helped me with. The ad showed an Omega sedan with the Olds Rallye wheels and its specs as having a 4.2L six with 3-speed floor mounted manual transmission., While a few people have noted that Cadillac had the Seville, I think that the sheet metal alone differentiated enough to make it as different. GM dealers needed compacts for that time, and I think they put the the FWD X successors to shame! Beginning in 1982, the Chevrolet high-output (130 horsepower) 2.8L V6 became available on ES models. Sign up for our free daily email and youll never miss another find: Original Year End Special: 1980 Chevrolet C-10 Bonanza, BF Auction: 1961 Volkswagen Samba Deluxe 23-Window. Several nice trips around Michigan and to the west. C onstantly . Hatchbacks were hot, and that helped the Omegas popularity. Door Window Guide Felt fits 1973-1974 Buick Apollo 4012-423-731S (Fits: 1973 Oldsmobile Omega) $189.00 Was: $192.78 1973-1974 BUICK, CHEV, OLDS, PONT 4 DOOR SEDAN RH VENT TINTED (Fits: 1973 Oldsmobile Omega) $45.00 $31.08 shipping 1973-74 Nova; 2 Door Coupe; Quarter Window Glass; Smoke Gray; Tinted; LH (Fits: 1973 Oldsmobile Omega) $149.99 2022 Ram 1500; 2022 Ford F-150; 2019 Chevrolet Equinox; 2020 . However, they would have all rusted out only in larger quantities. Ford and Mopar are given a pass because they were seen as also-ran underdogs that deserve sympathy. It and the Buick Apollo were introduced in 1973; the Pontiac Ventura had been introduced in 1971. A New Convertible Top and Top Mechani Private Seller Click for Phone (1,069 miles away) 1 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible Delta has zero to do with Olds using the Greek alphabet. Posted August 16, 2016 at 12:21 PM. Also, that old-style pushbutton exterior door handle was a masterpiece of ergonomic engineering. I dont believe Ive even seen one at a car show. For its day, I think the inter-divisional X bodies were a good idea. Door Seal Kit - Rear . It saw few changes through its life being limited mostly to the front end (with three different grille designs) and to the rear lights, changing the number of lenses through the years. Sadly non-op (one time till you re-reg. 1973 Oldsmobile Omega Sedan 4 door 350 V8 "Gold Rocket" from North America. Accessory brackets are different & only a few pieces will interchange due to the differing deck height. Thats actually a pretty cool looking grille. At this point, at least Cadillac was spared having one of these shoved down their dealerships. Add to Cart. 1928 Oldsmobile 4-door sedan. Today, thirty years later, they still havent made a MB-beater car. 4,000 1973 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight ROYALE 1973 OLDSMOBILE DELTA 88 5,765 below average sedan automatic Runs great, new tires and complete brake system, 1 owner, 66,600 Actual miles. It was a great first car until the rear axle snapped. Our local dealer carried Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Cadillac, and did so in the 1950s and 1960s. Remember, this was before the internet. Reproduction of the original molded carpet designed for use with 1968-73 Chevy II, Nova, 1971-74 Pontiac Ventura, 1973 Buick Apollo, and 1973 Oldsmobile Omega models. Great memories! In 1974 a high school classmates dad bought him new Omega 6 cyl with a 3 spd on the floor. Tyler, Texas, United States. . 1953-as Oldsmobile hirdets. But not always. I like to imagine that theyre looking at a map and hes softly whispering I told you so in her ear. Make a Nova clone out of it. N ova Yes, IIRC, these cars, and generations of smaller BOP cars yet to come, were in response to dealers griping that they didnt have any product in this size. Approved Used Vauxhall Adam Cars in Innerleithen We have 390 Used Vauxhall Adam Cars listed for Sale, so come and find a competitively priced Vauxhall Adam Innerleithen. The Omega was one of three X-body Chevrolet Nova clones. All were V8's built in Van Nuys, California and were sold at Century Oldsmobile in Van Nuys, California. This car makes me want to regress back to my teen years. Buy it, put Cragars and white letter tires on it, put big stripes across the top of it and just have fun cruisin without worrying about the value and originality and all that. This means that worn out door hinges on these cars cannot be repaired without some sort of torch and chisel action. CC-1700137. Well, there will be some upholstery work to do on the drivers seat but the rear seat looks great. Lower Bushing MSRP $115.99 set Classic set View Product Details WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov Add to Wishlist Product # *53149615 1968-73 Chevy II, Nova; Molded Carpet and Underlay Kit; Loop; 2/4 Door; w/o Console; Maroon/Oxblood MSRP $229.99 set The dash has a crack or two but overall things look pretty tidy. View car 1 day ago See photo 1975 oldsmobile omega 2dr coupe - opport $14,900 Richmond, Wayne County, IN 1975 55,005 Miles For the most part, these were very reliable cars, and like any 70s cars . There was a base model and the upper-level Brougham and the S option was added. I suspect for Olds, Pontiac, and Buick, it was a matter of dealers wanting a compact to sell and the X-body being the most expedient response. V8 models with the fifth VIN digit being the letter "K" received a 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. On the far side, we have the Cadillacs. 1973-74 Red Polyurethane Control Arm Bushing Set with 1-5/8" O.D. I remember seeing these up close when my Mom was car shopping in 1974. Our 1973 Omega as an Amtrak Train passes by in 1974. This is the O in the NOVA acronym. Engine choices included Pontiac's Iron Duke inline-four engine and the new corporate 2.8L LE2 V6 designed specifically for this platform. Even the interiors were virtually identicalmy dad owned a 73 Venturait was a piece of junka poor paint job, water leaks in the trunk galore. Chevrolet also had mostly stand-alone dealerships in small towns and large cities, but in cities of 5,000-25,000, it was common for Chevy to be paired with Oldsmobile or Buick. When it comes to your Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, you want parts and products from only trusted brands. Or subscribe without commenting. 1973. Date Sep 22 Oct 22 Nov 22 Dec 22 Jan 23 Feb 23 Price (US $) $28,500 $29,000 $29,500 $30,000 $30,500 $31,000 1976 Oldsmobile Omega 1975 Oldsmobile Omega 1974 Oldsmobile Omega 1973 Oldsmobile Omega Index Price. Learn how and when to remove this template message, "GM Heritage Center Vehicle Information Kits", Curved Dash (Model 6C / Model B / Model F / Model R / Straight Dash), https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oldsmobile_Omega&oldid=1137661448, Articles needing additional references from May 2019, All articles needing additional references, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 5 February 2023, at 20:42. 1973 Oldsmobile Omega $15,490 49601, Wexford County, MI 1973 21,400 Miles 1973 Oldmobile Omega. Killer Trans Am and Formula Firebirds would be real cool now with all the very high powered Camaros, Challengers, and Mustangs being offered. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for For 1973-1980 Oldsmobile Omega A/C Power Servo Connector SMP 61693TP 1974 1975 at the best online prices at eBay! I have to really wonder how serious B-O-P dealers were about selling these vehicles, I really think they simply wanted something smaller so they could advertise something like You can drive a ________ for prices starting as low as $_________! In 1979 I was shopping for a new car and wandered into the local Olds dealership asking if they had any Omegas in stock-the salesman immediately started trying to move me into a Cutlass, telling me it rode much better. 63,500 ; Waterloo, IA ; 5 years ; ebay.com; Because Ive heard some dissent from vintage car owners. That maybe was true, but look what they later ended up with: the Cimarron! Omegas first came out as RWD Nova clones in 1973, but could be had with Olds 350 4bbl V8. Alaska's List : 1973 Oldsmobile Omega For Sale Post Number 641461 1973 Oldsmobile Omega Location Fairbanks, Alaska Price $1,500 Telephone 907-452-2434 1973 Oldsmobile Omega rare 2 door hatchback survivor Got this from the 3rd owner, the engine and transmission are all original. Irregular The Oldsmobile Omega had a production run of 11 years and three generations. Vehicle Specs Engine Engine Size 400 ci Body Body Color Black Doors 2 Basic Year 1978 Make Oldsmobile Model Omega Miles Up until the late 1990s perhaps. Interesting car..I purchased it from the original owner who was a banker looking for sports sedan. Unlike the Chevrolet Citation, which the car was based on, the Omega range consisted of a 2-door coupe and 4-door sedan, with upright styling and a split grille. Don Jacobs is still in business, although (as you would correctly surmise) theyre no longer selling Oldsmobilesonly Volkswagens and Hondas. This 1973 Oldsmobile Omega looks like it may be worth a gamble. January 31, 2017 95 comments. 350 Rocket. Runs beautifully. The trend away from one standard car per brand meant the GM sales model had to change. Individual parts only (whole car is not for sale). Many people neglect their vehicles, and let them get into a very dilapidated condition mechanically, and then blame the State for their own neglectful (non existent) maintenance and upkeep. There is no Olds big block. . This is about all I know of that I told you. Easy to pass for cars in a good or better state of tune. Went pretty damn good. Your email address will not be published. By the time I was cognizant of cars, this one (a 1977) was so rusted that neither door would close or lock properly. 3. Also, I wanted to point out that the major refresh on these X-bodies was in 1975 (not 1976) with all new greenhouses and (I think) sheet metal. All in all, not one of GMs greatest achievements. 1973 Olds 442 with factory V-Code 455 and Muncie M20 4-speed. Thanks for the input Dave. Today we see badge engineered cars and wonder how smart people could be so stupid. 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass For $9,900. White vinyl seats and red carpet. 4 Door Sedan. 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible Rocket 455 V8 250-HP Dual Exhaust Turbo-Hydra-Matic. Or just throw a nice set of wheels and some headers and dual exhaust,and drive it. Always liked the Olds. 1973 Oldsmobile 88 Royale Coupe 91,118 mi 8 Cylinder $ 40,000 or $576/mo 1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible. California no longer charges back fees on cars over 25 years old. True that its based on the long produced Nova body and frame but 1973 was the first year for the hatchback body style. My 78 Skylark sedan as a 231 V-6 (first year even firing 231/3.8L) . Heres a YouTube video showing a 1973 Olds Omega hatchback commercial. 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale convertible. The first two generations of the Omega used rear-wheel-drive configuration, as a badge engineered variant of the Chevrolet Nova. One interesting thing about these is that a tent was available for the hatchbacks. The result of this wisdom was the two- and four-door "Aeroback" body style applied to the Buick Century and Oldsmobile Cutlass. The Seville shell would have been more appropriate for an Olds or a Buick, as they traditionally used a different (bigger) shell to the Chevy or Pontiac. The headliner looks scary, but hopefully the rust hasnt migrated up there. . Sometimes, over gangsters! Thats the buyers consideration. All other V8 engines received the standard 2-barrel version.
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