By Marcel in forum Getting Started on Gunsite, By browninghipower in forum Reloading Discussions, By Bundu Ric in forum Reloading Discussions, By 1911 fan in forum Reloading Discussions. In reality, as noted above, Teflon and similar coatings were used primarily as a means to protect the gun barrel from the hardened brass bullet, and, secondarily, to reduce ricochet against hard, angled surfaces. "Isn't it always illegal to commit a crime? Has anyone used teflon coated bullets in their glock? Aramid was originally designed for use in tyres but was later shown to be stronger than anyone could have ever imagined. For example, Mason Williams in 1973: Wishing to retain the tungsten alloy and yet design the bullets for use in handgun barrels, the next step was to reduce the dimensions of the bullets so that the tungsten alloy could not come into contact with the barrel lands. cast bullets in a Glock,, will blow up,, so many folks will not load them,, for a Glock, I have shot them in a Mod 21 for years before I heard this,, and i have friends that shoot 9mm 147 fp BB,, lead with no . RN - 500 Ct. .45 ACP 230 Gr. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, especially when fired at handgun velocities. The 9mm wax-lubed bullets averaged 1080 fps and the Hi-Tek coated bullets averaged 1071 fps. Primer: Federal 100 Case: Federal LOAL: 1.145 (Cop Killer) rounds were shown not only going through body armor like a hot knife through butter, but doing massively more damage to flesh than any known handgun ammo. A bullet with the same capabilitys but a more PC name. *There is significanly less smoke than standard cast bullets. After some experimentation with sintered rounds, which were eventually abandoned due to supply and cost concerns, the inventors settled on a bullet consisting mostly of hardened brass with a steel core. The .45 ACP is loaded today with two basic bullet types. So spraying the bullets with teflon (then allowing them to dry) makes them armor piercing (against soft armor I'm assuming)? 3. In Stock This error even made it into one of the Lethal Weapon movies. Proper care of your pistol is the key to keeping it in good condition. Look for bullet weights in these rounds to range from 115-grain to 147-grain. First, we must examine the Hollywood myth around the teflon-coated rounds. Generally, the coatings are good for velocities in the 1200-1500 fps range, similar to copper plated bullets, which covers the speeds of most handgun cartridges. Police Successes and Positive Interactions !! Hydra-Shok was released in 1988 after the FBI requested a bullet with better terminal ballistics than traditional cup and core projectiles. KTW teflon-coated bullet - Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association (a) Offense defined.-It is unlawful for any person to possess, use or attempt to use a KTW teflon-coated bullet or other armor-piercing ammunition while committing or attempting to commit a crime of violence as defined in section 6102 (relating to definitions). Initial testing has proven the polymer coated bullets to be more accurate with a dramatic Compared to our grandfathers and even our fathers, we get to enjoy more choices for bullet design; these choices include polymer-coated bullets. So when 50 cent says hes got teflon on (his) chest it may be a bulletproof vest, but the teflon is NOT the bulletproof material. * NOTES: Factory bullets for use in a Glock go all the way up to a BHN of 24; but, for most purposes, 24 is too much hard a value for cast lead. RN - Sized to .452 (Typical). Of course he used a pseudonym so that might say something there. And most probably, there's a gun store near you that can do an exceptional job with your Glock. The polymer jacket encapsulates the lead core of the bullet, keeping the lead contained and providing an exterior shell to engage the rifling of the barrel. Go figure?. I understand that the problem is with un-jacketed lead. GO SAFE MAG FOR GLOCK 17. [1] In an attempt to reduce barrel wear, the bullets were experimentally coated with a protective layer of Teflon. In 1980, continued production of the ammunition was turned over to the North American Ordnance Corporation. It's also much cheaper than copper plated bullets..R800/1000 where copper sells for a min of R1100/1000 depending where you shop.. If you use a fast, hot burning powder, or push the bullets very fast, you can get leading. Now we have ballistic tip ammo and they are not even considered hollow points. Make some aluminum or Titanium bullets on a Machine Lathe. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Oregon state law forbids the possession of any handgun ammunition, the bullet or projectile of which is coated with Teflon while committing or intending to commit a felony. Smith & Wesson has released a new optics-ready 9 mm folding pistol carbine called the M&P FPC. The main character says he loves 1911s. Firearms History, Technology & Development. ), look to powders close too Unique. In some states (such as both Carolinas, OR, OK), it is illegal to even possess teflon coated bullets for personal use. The third thing- construction material- by far being the most important. Hydra-Shok is a type of hollow-point projectile made by Federal Premium Ammunition. Still, after the company folded, other companies such as Colt, Glock, Sig Sauer, Remington, Smith & Wesson, and Springfield Armory . 18 Pa.C.S. Please reply! "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Teflon has a very low coefficient of friction and has very low "sticktion" or the ability to overcome inertia. Traditional wax lubed and identical coated bullets used for accuracy comparison. Despite the widespread ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of bullets used by civilians and police, which is due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation. Sold at Cabela's by Herter (Cabela's own brand) but made by CCI/Federal. There is a video somewhere of them melting the lead, but the coating stayed intact. Teflon is the nylon-type fabric used for the outside of the vest, while kevlar is the bulletproof material inside. In 1982, NBC ran a television special on the bullets, supposedly against the requests of many police organizations, wherein it was argued that the bullets were a threat to police. . This lefty PC crap must be fought! TPJ (total polymer jacket) projectiles are an excellent choice for a day at the range or for competitive shooting. (.430) 240 Grain SWC Coated Bullet $ 36.00 - $ 70.00 Select options Of course you havent seen it, youre talking from the currently fashionable paranoid world view. Brass or steel Teflon-coated handgun ammo, unless designed to expand on contact. But it smells like burnt clutch plate Are you casting and coating the bullets yourself or are you buying them? I actually wasnt making a Ronan comment. This coating acts as the bullets' lubricant as it travels down the bore of your gun . Kevlar is sometimes used as a substitute for Teflon in some non-stick frying pans. Item : GSGMGLK17. In Virginia, it is legal to possess and shoot teflon coated bullets for personal purposes, however if they are used to commit a crime, then an extra charge gets tacked on to the list of charges against the offender.Hope this clears things up. 6121: Certain bullets prohibited. I understand that lead is harmful to our glock's barrel so is this a good alternative for my glock? In testing, the comparatively hard brass bullets wore out barrels far more quickly than standard solid lead and copper-jacketed lead rounds, since they did not deform to fit the rifling. Not a gimmick at all and nothing like the teflon coated armor piercing bullets. Sometimes a gun doesn't like a particular bullet/load, and it takes time to find a combo that works, be it cast, coated or jacketed. The exclusive polymer coating of the American Eagle Syntech allows the bullets to glide through the barrel eliminating the copper and lead fouling. Secure Online Ordering %local_inventory_count% Free Shipping! In order to force the bullet to rotate and to allow the lands to dig into the projectile a copper jacket was cemented to the stepped down bullet base thus allowing the rear diameter of the bullet to solidly contact the barrel grooves. Thousands were shot (not by me), and there were no issues with the design or use of teflon. The Akron Zips rifle team wrapped up its record-breaking season with a fifth-place finish in the eight team-field at the 2023 GARC Championship on Feb. 25-26 at WVU in Morgantown, West Virginia. That's my understanding of the sitiation. Various gun control organizations in the U.S. labeled Teflon-coated bullets with the epithet "cop killers" because of the supposedly increased penetration the bullets offered against ballistic vests, a staple of the American police uniform. I shot one round, the only one I had, into bare Clear Ballistic gel with a Sig P229 with a 3.9-inch barrel at a distance of 10 feet. It's the hard metal core (illegal for civilians in the US) that makes the bullet armor piercing. Traditional wax lubed and identical coated bullets used for accuracy comparison. However, some manufacturers continue to coat their bullets with various compounds, notably Teflon and molybdenum disulfide, as a protective layer against barrel wear. ), Firearm Dealers / Gun Shops / Firearms Training Facilities. There is the FMJ round-nose (or its cast equivalent) 230-grain bullet for practice, target and competition. Make the most of your range time with tips from Team GLOCK Captain, Shane Coley and GLOCK Professional Director of Training, Joseph Parent. During the early 1980s, there was quite a bit of controversy about teflon-coated bullets. Barrel length plays a big factor in the performance of the Federal Syntech Action Pistol ammo. Government firearms used in attacks or robberies, Firearms, Accessories and Related Equipment Video Clips, Adventures, Outdoors, Conservation and Cooking, Nature Conservation and Wildlife Discussions, Shooting Associations, Representatives, Organisations and Clubs, Mpumalanga Practical Shooting Association - IPSC, North West Practical Shooting Association (NWPSA), Shooting / Sporting Events, Matches, Days, Classifieds - Firearms, Guns and Accessories for Sale and Wanted, Accessories for Sale (Parts, Magazines, Stocks, Scopes, Reloading etc. Teflon is a synthetic chemical made up of carbon and fluorine atoms. Before the 5.7 and Glock scares, we had teflon coated ammo . Various gun control organizations in the U.S. labeled Teflon-coated bullets with the epithet "cop killers" because of the supposedly increased penetration the bullets offered against ballistic vests, a staple of the American police uniform. Teflon coated bullets have a tendency to penetrate better. The moly-coated bullets are fine. Apply Flare/Bell The Case Mouth. I was the one that posted the fictional POST. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Some polymer coatings can reportedly be driven to 2000 fps or better, such as claimed by Eggleston Munitions, which makes them a possible choice for some rifle loads. takes one inch of this rod to turn out a single bullet. Hi-Tek bullets must be sized properly to the bore of the firearm they are being used in, just like every other lead bullet out there. We use cookies to optimize our website and our service. No. [li]Oklahoma - Teflon-coated bullets are illegal in Oklahoma under some circumstances. Lots of people shoot powder coated bullets in CZ's, Glocks and 1911's without problems. So here's the question. Works great in bullet feeders. The KTW was made in many calibers with various bullet shapes and bullet materials. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Dramatically reduced smoke. KTW then turned to steels and non-ferrous alloys which are considerably cheaper to buy and machine.. /?tef.l?n/ teflon. Average performance with the G17 came in 23 feet per second higher than the manufacturer's rating of 870, while the average G43X performance came in at 24 feet per second below. generation resin with the 2-Extreme Catalyst, Visit our FAQ page for more Detailed Information, Video Demonstration of the Durability of our Polymer Coated Bullets, Contains no Moly-Disulfide or PTFE to Gun: Glock 34 Gen 3 (Factory Barrel) Bullet: X-Treme 147 gr. Most common calibers are 9 mm and 10 mm with muzzle velocity sometimes almost matching normal handguns and bullets as light as 0.7 g. What are teflon coated bullets, How to make teflon bullets, Teflon bulletproof vest, Killer bullets, Black death bullet, Poisoned bullets, Teflon vs fmj, Teflon reload ammo. The polymer coated bullets produced slightly smaller 15-shot groups than the wax lubed bullets. I bought some for 38 Spl ammo. Still illegal. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. So when 50 cent says hes got teflon on (his) chest it may be a bulletproof vest, but the teflon is NOT the bulletproof material. Why is that so dangerous?" Lead under FMJ is just fine. SKU : Model : UPC : 850040234022. They smoke less, are inexpensive, are more accurate, and won't lead your barrels even in hot pistol loads. . When used with bullets, the coating of Teflon was specifically to help the bullet engage the rifling better and prevent the aggressive barrel wear caused by a naked projectile. These bullets are illegal in NJ even though a quick Google search will tell you that these bullets wont go through body armor and the best bullet to penetrate . Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association. Only place I could find them was at L. B. CA. Are plate carriers authorized in the army? Add To Cart. "Quotes on the internet are not always accurate" - Abraham Lincoln. how would the teflon coating differ from moly coated bullets? ), Accessories Wanted (Parts, Magazines, Stocks, Scopes, Reloading etc. Less than 5 in stock Item #: AM96649 $0.16 per piece. competitive shooters coated some bullets with teflon and figured out that they chronoed faster, so used them. Compare. Yes, I'm aware of the warnings in the manual. GS employment, work networking group and business directory, Lives and Property successfully defended with guns. But we all know how theory often differs from reality, don't we? Coated with our proprietary PolyLube, Precision Bullets gives you the precision of jacketed ballistics in a swaged lead bullet. It was only effective at the target enabling the bullet to better slip through the metal barrier. Teflon was used on bullets that had hard jackets designed to pierce armor. Certain bullets prohibited", "South Carolina Code, Title 16, Chapter 23, Article 5 16-23-520: Use, transportation, manufacture, possession, purchase, or sale of teflon-coated ammunition", "Code of Virginia, Title 18.2, Chapter 7, Article 7 18.2-308.3: Use or attempted use of restricted ammunition in commission or attempted commission of crimes", "The Real Story on 'Cop Killer' Teflon-Coated Bullets", "The Return of a Legislative Legend: Debating 'cop-killers', https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teflon-coated_bullet&oldid=1139766193, This page was last edited on 16 February 2023, at 20:10. Compared to lead rounds, they release no toxic gas that can float in the air and create unsafe conditions. Care must also be taken not to undersize the bullet while crimping. The main reason for this is that if you attempt to seat the bullet without flaring the case, the case wall will shave/peel off the PC as its being seated deeper into the case. 9mm lead core Teflon coated ammo penetration test in mountain Clark range Philippines Teflon-coated bullets, sometimes colloquially known as "cop killer bullets", are bullets that have been covered with a coating of polytetrafluoroethylene. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Very confusing!!! (a) Offense defined.--It is unlawful for any person to possess, use or attempt to use a KTW teflon-coated bullet or other armor-piercing ammunition while committing or attempting to commit a crime of violence as defined in section 6102 (relating to definitions). Cheers. Bulletproof vests are made from a very strong, very durable fibre called aramid. The designers said that the teflon did not improve penetration on vests, that the teflon actually made vest penetration worse, but some states banned teflon . 9mm jacketed hollow point ammo is generally considered the best 9x19 bullet to use for self-defense. The production of KTW-branded ammunition eventually ceased in the 1990s. It lubricates the bullet and reduces friction when the bullet travels down the bore. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Less than 5 in stock Item #: AM96511 $0.21 per piece. "Teflon rounds" were the only human-manufactured ammunition that could penetrate Visitor uniforms. New Legal Armor Piercing Handgun Round Announced ~ VIDEO. Do Not use commercial soft (wire spool/stamped) lead bullets. RN - 500 Ct. - Bayou Bullets Home Hi-Tek Supercoat Premium Bullets .45 ACP 230 Gr. Great for semi auto shooters using enhanced sights in Competition like IPSC and Speed Steel. South Carolina state law specifically bans "ammunition or shells that are coated with. I remember when I was in middle school one of the teachers was talking about the "rules" of war. $20.39. Then the media got it in their heads that teflon coating somehow results in the 9mm bullets defeating body armour. The purpose of these rounds is to hold their trajectory, and they have greater penetration against soft tissue. I averaged around 150 rounds per week, between matches and practice. These are commonly referred to as moly-coated bullets, and are quite popular with reloaders. Even a great movie like Ronin is allowed a few mistakes. This whole cop killer bullet was/is B.S.! A common resulting misconception, often perpetuated in film and television, is that coating otherwise normal bullets with Teflon will give them armor-piercing capabilities. However, as Kopsch pointed out in a 1990 interview, "adding a Teflon coating to the round added 20% penetration power on metal and glass. bullets can be pushed faster with no leading. Made from high-quality 416R stainless steel, this barrel features a nitride finish for maximum corrosion resistance, nickel teflon extension for added durability and lubricity, and 5R rifling for excellent accuracy and . 5 Slot, West Virginia Gov. The maximum recommended operating temperature for this high temperature thread is 400F / 205C. . I had my bullets reloaded in our local gunshop and they suggested that I go for teflon coated instead of ordinary lead since I will be using it on glock. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Highlights from the March 2023 issue of Shooting Sports USA, the NRAs competitive shooting journal. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of places to get these coating jobs done. One local dealer sold them one at a time for $2 each as collecters ammo.. The swedish 9mm 39B penetrates IIIA west, and that ammo has been around for 50 years.When i did service in the Swedish army i had a Carl Gustaf 45B submachine gun 9mm and did shoot severel thousends rundsticka.Sorry for bad english. Without correct (and frequent) cleaning, it can cause long-term damage to a barrel. ACME 45 (.452) 175gr SWC BULLET NLG COATED 100/BX . For example: Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Its the mundane stuff of plastic bags and sandwich boxes, but polyethylene has a more streetwise talent: in the form of dense, high-molecular-weight fibres it can stop a bullet in its tracks. Here's an easy way to get bullets coated: Lyman's Super Moly Kit. Use PC Bullets. Generally however, all teflon coated bullets are not lead, but instead, tungsten, hardened brass w/steel core, or some other design which is already AP before the teflon is applied. 4. Some states have outlawed them I believe. If the Teflon was only used to help the bullet engage the rifling and not wear out the barrel, why the big hubbub? Now if teflon bullets ever come up in conversation, I have something more than, Physics doesnt work that way as a response. One coat is enough with HF RED. Just add a tumbler. Twice the velocity and twice the fun. It's been demonstrated by hundreds of competitive Glock shooters who run (properly loaded) hard-cast lead bullets that leading can be reduced or eliminated, so that just leaves the second issue: Accuracy. That said, there are a few general advantages we can identify. FYI I love Ronan. Some coated cast bullet makers include a design with no lube groove in their lineup (right) in addition to the traditional design with a lube groove (left). This destroys bullet fit and decreases accuracy and increases fouling. Some experts even suggest that Teflon-coated bullets were significantly worse when it came to penetrating Kevlar but nonetheless, several states have restrictions in place for the ownership. POLYLUBE HYBRID COATING TECHNOLOGY Precision Bullets PolyLube! A Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) is a bullet that has a soft core, usually with lead, and is encased in a harder alloy metal such as cupronickel or gilding metal. Several of the various calibers of KTW rounds produced could, in fact, penetrate police vests, under certain conditions. The process to make our polymer coated GLOCK Apparel, shooting supplies, and apparel. They are regular cast boolits with a coating applied. Their objective was to develop a law enforcement round capable of improved penetration against hard targets, such as windshield glass and automobile doors. It's 70% cheaper than buying new FMJ. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, often become deformed and less effective after striking hard targets, especially when fired at handgun velocities. ), Firearm Dealers / Gun Shops / Firearms Training Facilities. Made famous by Winchester, the Ballistic Silver Tip bullet is considered to be one of the most devastating bullets for big game. Polymer coated bullets combine several of the advantages of hard cast lead and jacketed bullets. The alloy of the projectiles was too hard to properly engage the rifling of the barrels, hence the wear and accuracy issues. Yes, I too await the results Ellis gets. This lubricity reduces friction-related heat as the bullet traverses the bore. Ronin is an anti-gun screed. It is specifically designed to adequately cover a low profile gas block on a carbine or mid-length gas system barrel. Applying flare/belling the mouth of the case is extremely important when loading powder coated bullets. Thanks. However, some manufacturers continue to coat their bullets with various compounds, notably Teflon and molybdenum disulfide, as a protective layer against barrel wear. For self-defense, there are a number of more exotic bullet types available with the jacketed hollow point (JHP) leading the pack with bullet weights of around 165 to 230 grains. Incendiary Munitions and the Laws and Customs of War on Land.
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